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Azərbaycan dilində Cənubi Azərbaycan daha çox işlənir. Bura da Azərbaycan Vikipediyası olduğu üçün məqalələrin daha çox işlənən terminlərlə adlandırılması lazımdır. Digər adlar isə giriş hissəsində göstərilə bilər. --TimBits 17:23, 24 İyun 2006 (UTC)

But it should be mentioned here too that this term is a pan-Turkist forgery and which groups intentionally fabricated this forgery and entered it into the Azerbaijani language in order to mislead the people. Regions above Aras were always called Arran, Albania, Armenia etc. and Azarbaijan was mostly used for below Aras, but there was always one Azarbaijan. Never such a thing as "North" and "south" Azarbaijan, like one cannot start to make terms like north Canada and south Canada (reffering to the USA) only because the use the same spoken language.

Names and History, and let us live friendly![əsas redaktə]

Concerning the terminology "Azerbaijan", from one hand side you are right - Azerbaijan was the name of territories which is approximately North-west of nowdays Iran or approximately Azerbaijani provinces of Iran + some territories around them(like Zanjan). territories inhabited by turks in Caucasus were called Arran, Shirvan, etc. After the Russia-Iran wars from the end of XVIII century until 1828 when Iran lost these wars, many scholars, writers, historians, politichians analysing the population of Iran as well as turks of new russian ruled turks of Caucasus emphasized that people of both side of Aras have the same language and habits. that time the name of Arran was out of use, Shirvan was only part of these territories. So slowly, step-by-step the name of Azerbaijani for their language was introduced for these people (naturally for both side of Aras). Next stage was 1918, after the first World War, when three etnics of Caucasus, georgians, armenians, and...azerbaijanis, that is people speaking in azerbaijani announced their indpendence. They announced about new Demokratic Republic - Azerbaijan Xalq Cumhuriyyeti. so in the map two Azerbaijans were appeared. After the Sovietisation one of republics signed Union agreement was (Soviet Socialist) Republic of Azerbaijan (1922). So it was second time that the name of Azerbaijan introduced for the State of Azerbaijani people living in nowdays Azerbajan. From that time people started to use sometimes Southern Azerbaijan for iranian Azerbaijan. Then as a result, Northern Azerbaijan for the Republic of Azerbaijan. Next stage was the period of Second World war. Soviet Army has entered to Iran. Azerbaijani (Iranian) Democratic Party under Pishavari announced authonomy of Azerbaijan (Iranian or Southern Az.) within Iran. It was some straggle between the Republican people -authonomy or independence? Anyway after the withdrawal of Soviet Army this Republic was not able to live. From that time people from the Republic of Azerbaijan (Soviet), literature, history all of them called about two Azerbaijan, Northern and Southern, as Northern America and Southern America, the same for Korea, Osetia. So it was a result of almost two centuries of all these developments. Nowdays people of Northern Azerbaijan are looking for some freedom of Southern azerbaijani people to chose their own language for education and wish their best for both Azerbaijani and Persian (and other)people of Iran.

So names of countries may change due to geopolitics, wars, etc. Iran also was not Iran during Khalifate, saljuks, mongols and other were rules. then Safavids -that period it was turks and persians both under Safavids and it was Persia...

So let us try to live friendly respecting all rights of all Azerbaijani, persian and other people of both Republic of azerbaijan and Iran! thank you!

Dediklərinizin əksini sübut eləyə biləcəyim halda Azərbaycan dilində yazılmadığı üçün bu barədə heç bir qeyd etmirəm. --TimBits 17:32, 24 İyun 2006 (UTC)

which "Dediklərinizin"? I think you should bring your "historical" proofs in the article or mention that this subject is unproven and controversial. I think you also should mention my perspective on this issue (which is the perspective of the majority of the academic world) in the article.

The time north of Aras was cut off from Iran there was no country named Azerbaijan and there isn't even a proof about any sort of autonomous region called Azerbaijan, either in the south of the Aras or in the north. Countries were later created according to their ethnic mix. For example in Europe Romania never existed as a country before the 20th century. First Romania was made up of "muntenia" and "Moldova" and then in 1918 for the first time "Transilvania" joined Romania. Romania never existed as a country and the reason it was/is called Romania is because its population are mostly Romanians.
The same thing is about Azerbijan. North and south of Aras were/are populated by Azerbaijani Turks so you cannot say north of Aras is not Azerbaijan. 85.186.230.115 02:59, 4 Yanvar 2007 (UTC)

GÜNEY AZERBAYCAN[əsas redaktə]

Güney Azerbaycan hakkında bana bilgi verebilecek olan var mı? Varsa lütfen bana iletiyle göndersin. Sağ olun--85.106.142.234 15:02, 27 Mart 2007 (UTC)

merhaba ben aslen Güney Azerbaycanli olup İstanbulda yaşıyorum,bana tebriz_gunesi@mynet.com adresinden mail gonderir ve ogrenmek istediklerinizi sorarsaniz seve seve bilgi verebilirim.— Bu imzasız yazı 88.233.156.119 (müzakirəfəaliyyət) tərəfindən əlavə edilmişdir.

biz anjaq irani azerbaijan varmizidir,guney azerbaijan yoxumuzdur.bu ad yalandi.--Iroony 23:59, 8 Oktyabr 2009 (UTC)

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Sorry I can't read nor write in Azeri so I have to write in English. I think that it is much better to move the article to "Iranian Azerbaijan" (İrandilli Azərbaycan) if my translation is correct. I think it sounds more informative because it is an Iranian region. Moreover, in reality "southern Azerbaijan" is not an official name for this region. 97.65.61.9 02:36, 8 aprel 2011 (UTC)

جنوبی ازربایجان \iran azarbaycan[əsas redaktə]

منجه بونون رسمی آدی دنیادا ایران ازربایجان دیر من ایستیرم ماقالانین آدین دئیشم اگر بیر کسین غیر بو سوزی وار دئسین.من بو منبع‌لر اوستونده ایستیرم دئیشیکلیک ئدم--E thp 17:25, 16 avqust 2012 (UTC). [1][2] [3] [4] [5] [6]

  1. James Minahan. "Miniature Empires", Published by Greenwood Publishing Group, 1998.
  2. BooksBooks
  3. Diplomatic History of Persia, 1917-1923: Anglo-Russian Power Politics in Iran - Page 244 books.google.com
  4. books.google.com
  5. iran++Azerbaijan
  6. iran++Azerbaijan


Güneyin bayrağı[əsas redaktə]

Partiya bayraqların Güney bayrağı kimin qələmə vermək, partiya öyələri tərəfindən normal hal olsada vikidə yolverilməzdir. Obiri partiyalarinda belə bayraqları var. Onların hamısın burda yerləşdirmək olmaz. Onları hər partıyanın özəl səhifəsində vermək yetər. --Əmir İbrahimi *danışıq* 15:26, 12 yanvar 2013 (UTC)

İran Azərbaycanı[əsas redaktə]

Məncə İran Azərbaycanı daha düzdür. İran Azərbaycanlıların arasında ki budur. Olsa yenidən bu ada baxasınız. Gülə gülə. --Arjanizary (talk) 19:45, 12 mart 2013 (UTC)

Vikipediyada hansı adın "daha düz" olması vacib deyil, əsas olan "Azərbaycanca danışan oxucunun ən çox tanış olduğu varianta üstünlük verilməlidir, bu mubahisə yaradarsa onda Azərbaycan dilində olan ensiklopediya, dərslik və ya akademik nəşrlərdə istifadə olunmuş varianta üstünlük verilməlidir" (VP:MA). "Cənubi Azərbaycan", "Güney Azərbaycan", "İran Azərbaycanı", hər 3-ü dilimizdə işlədilir, "İran Azərbaycanı" isə bunlardan ən az işlədilənidir, biz ancaq İran azərbaycanlılarını deyil, bütün Azərbaycanca danışan oxucunu nəzərə almalıyıq--Melikov Memmedemail 05:42, 13 mart 2013 (UTC)

İran azərbaycanlıları - Bu siyahı daha dolğundur:[əsas redaktə]

ru:Азербайджанцы в Иране

Cenubi Azerbaycan erazisi[əsas redaktə]

1828-ci iledek olan melumatlar: Erazisi;280min km2 Ostan sayi;9 Ehali sayi;2500000 2016-ci il ucun melumatlar: Erazisi;135min km2 Ostan sayi;5 Ehali sayi;34000000--Cahidhesen (müzakirə) 06:28, 15 fevral 2016 (UTC)

Əhali[əsas redaktə]

https://www.ethnologue.com/language/azb


Population

10,900,000 (2016). Ethnic population: 18,700,000. Total users in all countries: 13,823,350.Ghaterturk (müzakirə) 17:40, 7 dekabr 2018 (UTC)

Sahəsi[əsas redaktə]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan_(Iran) Iranian Azerbaijan is administratively divided into West Azerbaijan, East Azerbaijan, Ardabil, and Zanjan provinces.

West Azerbaijan Province https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Azerbaijan_Province 37,437 km2

East Azerbaijan Province https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Azerbaijan_Province 45,650 km2

Ardabil Province https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardabil_Province 17,800 km2

Zanjan Province https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanjan_Province 21,773 km2

Total about 120,000 km2 Ghaterturk (müzakirə) 17:49, 7 dekabr 2018 (UTC)